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Used Xbox's can be found for like 40USD.

Just a minute. First you say it doesn't matter whether you want Halo 2 or not. Now you're using your desire to play Halo 2 to justify your annoyance. So which one is it?

Neither.

I said it doesn't matter if i want it or not. That doesn't mean that i don't want it.

If i would play halo again it would be on PC, because now i have the PC setup to actually DO it. I don't want to get an used Xbox again because my TV is 4x smaller than my monitor.

As for 32/64-bit support... hehe... maybe they should start pressuring the manufacturers driver coders to actually get their act together when it comes to 64-bit drivers?

If it's drivers i'm concerned about I would be complaining to Nvidia, but that's not my point.

It would be fine for me if they didn't brand the game as a "Games for Windows" title. The fact that they did shows us that the actual grouping system is useless.

If they can sidestep their own requirements now in order to force people into buying a new operating system, what's stopping them from doing it later? The whole point is to guarantee things for users buying the games and to try to convince developers to put those features INTO their games in order to buy them.

So if i'm walking to the store, and i buy a "Games for Windows" branded game, what am I guaranteed? What they listed on the webpage? Of course not, because they can sidestep that in an instance. I could buy a game that's a "Games for Windows" and have it only work on the newest build of Vista, and only run with a 360 controller after having a Microsoft certified 8800GTX.

All it is, is another way for Microsoft to say "LOOK! SEE! IT'S GUARANTEED!", and then bullshit us gamers, bypassing their own rules so we can't play the games we actually want to without first spending hundreds of dollars on the "best' Microsoft crap.

First Halo 2. What's next, Bioshock? Crysis?

Like cranky said, the game isn't even out yet, so Microsoft doesn't have to change anything yet.

This is how business works.. if you had to hate Microsoft for trying to get your money then you should be hating every single corporation out there.

With that said, I don't like how the game will be Vista only either, but sooner or later I might pick it up. I heard a rumor that you will have to "pay" for multiplayer support, which sounds ridiculous, but I've heard no official news to confirm it.

Used Xbox's can be found for like 40USD.

I'm sure. :)

I tend to buy new stuff, though... I don't like second hand things if I can avoid it. ;) (Obvious exception being musical instruments...)

Like cranky said, the game isn't even out yet, so Microsoft doesn't have to change anything yet.

This is how business works.. if you had to hate Microsoft for trying to get your money then you should be hating every single corporation out there.

With that said, I don't like how the game will be Vista only either, but sooner or later I might pick it up. I heard a rumor that you will have to "pay" for multiplayer support, which sounds ridiculous, but I've heard no official news to confirm it.

I'm not hating the fact that they're trying to earn my money...... i'm hating the fact that no one out there seems to care about what they're doing.

Earning my money by advertising - fine.

Earning my money by great games - fine.

Earning my money by great support and quality - fine.

Earning my money by trying to trick us into buying things we can't use - not fine.

You might have to pay for multiplayer support because it's tied into the Windows Live! service, which is a yearly fee.

The "Gold" sub of Windows LIVE is just to play people on Xbox360's and to access certain premium content. Playing just between people on the PC will ALWAYS be FREE.

I welcome it. (But then i already have a LIVE sub ;))

And i doubt it's that people don't care. Halo 2 on PC right from the very start was advertised to us as Vista only. As soon as it was announced it was said to be Vista Only. If someone is "tricked" into buying it thinking it's XP compatible then they should have paid more attention.

If MS want to release it on Vista only they can. You don't shout at developers when they release a "PS3 exclusive" or an "Xbox360 Exclusive".

They just want everyone to buy their new product. Like how new games are released every single year with just another number tacked on. How football shirts are constantly updated. How our hardware is considered redundant 3 months after we buy it.

At the end of the day, buying an OS will be cheapest thing you ever purchase when considered on a price:usage ratio.

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The "Gold" sub of Windows LIVE is just to play people on Xbox360's and to access certain premium content. Playing just between people on the PC will ALWAYS be FREE.

I welcome it. (But then i already have a LIVE sub ;))

And i doubt it's that people don't care. Halo 2 on PC right from the very start was advertised to us as Vista only. As soon as it was announced it was said to be Vista Only. If someone is "tricked" into buying it thinking it's XP compatible then they should have paid more attention.

If MS want to release it on Vista only they can. You don't shout at developers when they release a "PS3 exclusive" or an "Xbox360 Exclusive".

They just want everyone to buy their new product. Like how new games are released every single year with just another number tacked on. How football shirts are constantly updated. How our hardware is considered redundant 3 months after we buy it.

At the end of the day, buying an OS will be cheapest thing you ever purchase when considered on a price:usage ratio.

1.) You don't shout at developers for PS3 exclusive or 360 exclusive. However developers don't say "For Windows XP" on the packaging of a PS3 game.

2.) You can't use the "should have paid more attention" argument in a court of law. Someone accidentally commits suicide because the gun manufacturer made the gun shoot backwards by a trick switch, "he should have paid more attention to the manual" won't cut it.

Not everyone pays attention to the "Vista only" text on the corner back of the packaging.

Well, you did. So what seems to be the problem? As far as I know, most people are educated about the fact that Halo 2 will be Vista only. I didn't even know that to be qualified as a "Game for Windows" it had to be compatible with Windows XP.

The "Gold" sub of Windows LIVE is just to play people on Xbox360's and to access certain premium content. Playing just between people on the PC will ALWAYS be FREE.

Glad to hear that :D .

Well, you did. So what seems to be the problem? As far as I know, most people are educated about the fact that Halo 2 will be Vista only. I didn't even know that to be qualified as a "Game for Windows" it had to be compatible with Windows XP.

The problem is average Joe won't see "Games for Windows" and think "Games for Vista". The average Joe won't keep track of the OS releases.

I want to have the security to walk into a store, pick out an interesting looking game, and buy it without having to second guess whether M$ bypassed their own requirement system.

Plus I want to play Halo 2 without them having to push a new software requirement to play it.....