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 Post subject: 1155 or 2011?
PostPosted: 20 Jan 2012, 04:32 
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Hey guys. i am upgrading, already have the cash saved up. Was saving it for a rainy day or maybe better monitors or something, but my windows install is kinda shot and needs reloaded. and i don't like reloading unless im getting new stuff ;). I think thats a side effect of being in IT for so long heh.

I am having a really tough time choosing what to do here. I just can't freakin decide on 1155 or to go with the new chip. Normally i can figure this stuff out but ive now spend about 3 days researching and looking and a few hours each day.. i think ive picked out my stuff either way, but i just find myself unable to pull the trigger.

Setup 1:
i7-2500k
Picked because benchmarks from the 2600k arent enough of a jump for me to want to pay the extra cash

Asus p8p67 pro
picked because it has some of the best OC scores on review sites for its price range, and its pretty cheap

16GB ddr 1600
picked cause its cheap and its fast. don't want to go higher and have to tweak bios or anything
going with G.skill cause they are cheap and reliable (we bought about 100 sticks from them last year and i didnt have to return a single one)

cost: under $500 if i build it all on newegg. i think it came out to about 490.


Setup 2:
i7-3820
picked cause its finally for sale, and i aint popping 500+ for a hex cpu:P its in about the 325 range shipped. and its still essentially a xeon with 10mb cache.

ASRock Extreme 4.
picked cause it has what i need. i looked at asus and some other but they are so much more $ and have extra stuff ill never use. also chosen based on shining reviews. its only about 200$ which is dirt cheap for a socket 2011 board. they cut costs by only having 3x pci-x and only 4 memory slots. but i don't need the 8 slots anyway, i mean cmon what do i need more than that for anyway..

16GB ddr 1600
same as above.

Cost: i can get this for about $650


(i already have a thermaltake Frio cooler, and from what i read if i call them i can get a socket 2011 bracket for cheap or free, so no cooler needed in the build)

newegg doesnt have the 3820 chips in yet, but a few other places do. cheapest i saw was provantage for 325. board and memory on newegg run about 325 as well.


Argument for 1155 setup
they are still developing for this socket set, ivy bridge will come out later this year or next so they are not dropping support for a while still. its still lightning fast. theres nothing an oc'd 2500k cant do. overclocks like hell and the chip is unlocked so its a breeze. Also cash it tight, and under 500$ is an awesome thing.

Argument for 2011 setup
futureproof! its a new socket, its in the "high end" market, so anything released for it is gonna be "uber". easily upgradable to 6 or 8 (when they come out) core chips. 3x pci-x slots. for triple sli. I already run 2x 470s , when its upgrade time again i could add a third instead of selling them and getting something new. PCI 3.0, so i can actually have the bandwidth for 3 cards. quad channel memory.

So what would you do if you were in my situation? thoughts, recommends? should i change something in the setups?
lemme know what you think, thanks!

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PostPosted: 20 Jan 2012, 21:41 
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No item of computer hardware is future proof!

And, you don't need the "extra bandwidth" the 2011 system provides, you don't gain that much by it. IMO unless you need the extra 2 real cores that the other 2011 cpus have, you should go 1155.

I would also say that a heavily overclocked 2500k would give more performance than a small overclockable 2011 system, you really want a K cpu.

I personally don't think 2011 is worth it, but if you have the cash, it wouldn't be slower, or if it was, it would be to the tune of a rounding error in difference :P

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 Post subject: hard decision, i can
PostPosted: 20 Jan 2012, 21:53 
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hard decision, i can understand you!

But the problem with the 3820 is, it's not the same like the 3930K and 3960X ! These two are both Server CPU's which are reduce to hexacore. (originaly 8 core if i'm not wrong) and they both have hella OC Potential! The 3820 is a true Quadcore. But still has PCi-E 3.0 bandwidth, Quad Channel and possibility to change FSB from 100 to 125, 166, 200.

Well, i'd go for a 3930K 8) Would be Future Proof for the next few years!

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PostPosted: 23 Jan 2012, 01:48 
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thanks for the help guys, by futureproof i only meant for a few years, as thats all you can do with computing.
but i meant more along the lines of the socket being so new, intel already has new chips planned for later on the board, and everyone knows the hex cores are just eight cores with 2 blanks, so they are next. (already available for server only). The roadmap shows some upcoming releases as well as lots of unofficial reports that ivy bridge and more will be coming out 2013+
so going with the new socket puts me in the bracket of "high end" and allows me to do a major upgrade down the line.
and really only costs me an extra 20%-ish

i think at this point im pretty set on the 2011 boards, spent even more time poking around and i havnt changed my setup either.
but since i forgot one key piece of info... W2's WERE JUST SENT OUT!!! lol. now i have a tax refund coming so going over budget a little won't kill me.

Part of the kicker is i found a few OC guides where they got near 5Ghz even though its not a "k" series. and theres a few guides up on how to do it.

i always say ill "never" buy a pc over 500$ cause i can oc the hell out of it and it will be amazing and cheap! (by pc, i mean mobo cpu ram). but now not only am i going to break that, but im thiniking about adding a corsair h80 watercooler as well.

added up all the items and then did shipping quotes im talking about $750, so i went 50% over budget lol.
Guess its just like i said id never spend over $199 on a video card and ended up with 2x 470s due to a deal i couldnt pass up..

ive only had this kind of spending "fluff" money like two times my whole life lol, excited to get something just for me
.. instead of having to spend my long saved "play money" on piping or roof work on the house (which sucked) :P

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PostPosted: 23 Jan 2012, 13:07 
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H80 sucks! Go for a big air cooler. Megahalens, NH14 Or such, they're Better!

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PostPosted: 23 Jan 2012, 20:26 
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sucks according to whom?

ive read a few reviews and even some "roundups". maybe not number 1 but pretty close.
and since it just takes up a 120mm slot for cooling the footprint over the chip itself is tiny, so no worries about blocking ram slots, hitting N or S bridge passive cooling etc.

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PostPosted: 24 Jan 2012, 13:40 
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Jep, it's only number 5 or 6, depending on Test surroundings... so a Good Air Cooler can do little more!

The fact that you can put it anywhere in your case is the only raison d'ĂȘtre for such closed circuit systems like H80.

Blocking Ramslots is afaik only a problem on LGA2011, and ony if you use realy big RAM, normal works fine!


If you think the H80 is the Perfect choice, i think you will be happy with it! It's just that most people read "Oh Water cooled! Cool, i can overclock to 5.5ghz and more!" But they're performance wise not as powerfull as you'd think. If they had used a 240 instead of 120 radiator it might be pretty awesome!

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PostPosted: 24 Jan 2012, 18:21 
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Read this before you buy a H80.

http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1661628

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PostPosted: 24 Jan 2012, 22:30 
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good link, and thanks for that.
honestly not deterring me too much though.

my other choices were the thermaltake frio, which sits low and any high sitting ram bumps it and it hits northbridge on any mobos that have high cooling solutions, like the evga ones. then i was thinking about a noctua, it performs well but has the same problems as the frio, but it seems to fit more boards.
only landed on h80 cause it scored similar OC's and its clean and clears up the space.. id rather the rear of my case be cluttered and packed then right over my memory and stuff.

its pretty crowded inside my antec 900 as is anyway

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